The Emperor's vision for humanity died the second Magnus 'I didn't do nuffin wrong' the Red fucked the webway project. It is unknown to any but Guilliman whether or not Guilliman actually had any communication with his father during his time in the throne room, but I say it didn't happen, maybe it was all in his head, and here is why: It is said that Lion El'Johnson, mortally wounded during his fight with Luther, was taken in secret by the Watchers in the Dark. Think about it, Guilliman was the only primarch whose location was known to the Imperium. The family looked at Guilliman, then back on screen, then again at Guilliman, the back at the screen. The Emperor's goal is to uplift humanity into a new Golden Age. Share. But things change and in 40k the Emperor and the Imperium are the same thing. ‘Father,’ he said, and when he had said that word, it was the last time he had meant it. Inspired and masterminded by the return of the legendary Primarch, the Ultramar Campaign was soon won, with the resurgent. ’ Silence. - Dark Imperium. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. To my knowledge, the Lion hasn't had a lot of experience with politics. Only to discover Big E doesn't love him and only views him as a tool, that's devastating enough but imagine having to lie to the Imperium that. 21. Guilliman picks it up, stabs the big E. ‘Tjejren was a servant of the Emperor once. He did not hear them at all. 0 like Horus. I want to see someone roll up to Guilliman and just deliver a blistering, no-holds-barred, "You fuckers all ran off or died or vanished and left us and your father here to fend for our fucking selves, so we did what we had to in order to. Monarchia, then was both lesson and warning. He would maintain the empire in any form imaginable until his death. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. Guilliman coming back is so important that the emperor, in "dark imperium: plague wars" uses the most heavy handed methods to preserve him, like posessing a little girl, turning her into a saint and using so much power to kill demons and saving guilliman that the girl turned into ash ( i must however warn that it is a point of contention if the. The Emperor said it Himself, guilliman is an empirebuilder, more an administrator. In the end a compromise was wrought between them. So communication and Travel was more unreliable and harder than normal. Jarax · 8/9/2017. Quel Tarin · 4/6/2017. ‘Guilliman. By all accounts, the XIII Legion was one of the most effective measured by quantity of successful compliances. He can insist that he thought the Emperor was dead all he wants but in 40k that’s not the mitigating circumstances, it’s the crime. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. What hurt most deeply was what went unsaid. Guilliman spun the sword around, pivoting over crossed feet, executing a full turn, and. Trading the thousands Curze did and might kill was not even with the Lions methods. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its. ’ A blasphemy intended to provoke the priest. I think you're missing the important point: The project was commissioned by Guilliman, and Cawl is a Tech-Priest. - Dark Imperium. Even those Chapter Masters who readily accept him as the wisest among. Credits:Rowboat Girlyman art by Adrián Prado: Divina by. The former worlds of the Realm of Ultramar didn't want to have to give up their independence to Guilliman after 10,000 years of not having him. Mortarion was trying to pull all of ultramar into warp and needed to kill Guilliman by disease but he ended up calling to emperor who set fire to the garden. He used Cypher to his own ends too. I understand that you can’t sell a story without emotion, but Guilliman wouldn’t act entirely dissatisfied and depressed. In the new lore the Emperor didn't consider the Primarchs his sons but rather tools to be used and discarded. Was Roboute Guilliman the chosen heir to the Emperor?General Spoiler Warning to begin as the events. The Emperor did not love His sons. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. Of us all, I think perhaps only poor Konrad knew, for he too had the power to see the future. They were the only legion permitted to use the Aquilla. But lets face it, if Horus wanted to, he could kill his 3 brothers in mere seconds. Horus is the brightest star and you carry your father’s face, but Guilliman’s heart and soul are cast in the Emperor’s image. At these rumoured stats, he'll be using the sword against most targets since he'll have 14 attacks and wound T4 on a 2 plus at D2. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. Two things, from what I understand: 1) The Ultramarines were the biggest Legion of the HH so Guilliman could strong-arm the other primarchs, and 2) Guilliman is generally depicted as the "statesman Primarch", very good at administration and persuasion, especially after Horus was gone. Guilliman reminded Helbrecht of the oaths he had sworn, and how his duty as High Marshal was to all the Emperor's realm rather than just being to his own personal vendettas. ago. Source: freelance editor and university. Nurgle's garden is incinerated. Emperor: Guilliman. These additions are joined by a very special episode of Battle Report, which recreates the colossal clash between brothers Roboute Guilliman and Mortarion in a narrative play game. Guilliman has returned in glory to the Emperor's side. Guilliman is a supreme statesman, he's also able to do the same thing. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. The being he had thought of as a father could hide nothing from him. ’ ‘What else? What else are you?’ ‘I am Alpharius,’ said Thiel. His dad was a reformer that launched a military campaign in the barbaric region, got betrayed by his best friend and got stabbed to death. Yvraine resurrects Guilliman, and then after the shitstorm that follows right after, they have a respectful conversation with one another, and then Yvraine leaves. Remember Horus and Guilliman did get along, Horus looked up to Guilliman (and Dorn) as an older brother and valued his. ’Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. ‘He will want to prove he is better by feat of arms. "Listen to me, Roboute," the light ghost hisses. Probably Magnus kills him, but Guilliman pops back up and continues to inflict damage until he wins. He didn't plan on usurping the Emperor, but considering everything that was going on, that's not a bad assumption -Kurze did plan on sapping his morale. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. So guilliman could be wearing what he sees has a super nice robe, which for us would be like wearing a really fancy suit. A cheap tactic. Guilliman may not be willing to accept that without proof, but that's as much for his own sake as anything else. Ruling over his own segment. Guilliman cannot merely say that he fights for the Emperor or in His name. Guilliman is Justinian. The viral zephyrs would cling to the planet for a time before finally feasting upon itself and dissipating, transforming a planet of little life to one of absolutely none. ’ ‘He will kill you, my lord. If the Emperor Himself stood up, thought Guilliman, came down off His Golden Throne and proclaimed ‘I am not a god!’ then they would burn Him as a heretic. He would just do that, not complain. ’ With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. When he came out he was objectively a usurper. Leman Rus stands there, covered in blood, swaying drunkenly. A Space Marine fighting a Primarch by himself. From the epic brother vs. Mathieu was thankfully unmoved. Guilliman had seen the look on the priest’s face too many times on other holy men. Context: Shortly after the start of the Indomitus-Crusade, an increasing number of Psykers among the. If the Emperor wins, it will most likely be close to how he won in the old lore - by Horus giving him an oppotunity because of distraction. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. Better that we had all burned in the fire of Horus' ambition than lived to see this. Guilliman recoiled from the adoration shining from. Didnt Guilliman say something along the lines of that the Emperors humanity is gone? And now hes just simply cold logical and uncaring. He ascended to sainthood. Theoretical, Guilliman thought savagely now, turning his anger against his traitorous mind. Even then, he's disliked by 6 of the 9 traitor Primarchs, barring Horus, Magnus and Fulgrim. 000) the User's Guide for Roboute Guilliman; english isn't my first language; Character Study; Summary. Having your father tell you your simply a weapon after 10,000 years sleeping and hundreds before that fighting in the Emperors name might fuck with your confidence a little bit. Guilliman nodded. Meanwhile, the worlds that the Word Bearers were bringing in to the fold of the Imperium were brought in with minimal bloodshed, but it often took them decades to bring a single planet or system in. In the wiki, this is described quite briefly: Guilliman was left standing alone before the ornate doorway, dwarfed by its immensity. ’ ‘Failure. In Dark Imperium it states that Guilliman did speak to the emperor telepathically and the emperor's mind has strengthened to completely new levels however he has lost his patience and humanity in the process, living as a consciousness in a. It's why the last line of the novel, when the guy asks Guilliman "did the Emperor say he loves us all? I’d also say we could chalk it up to Guilliman making the statement and not the Emperor. The Lion is the literal son of the Emperor who lead a legion in the great crusade who's victory tally was second only to Horus and the Luna Wolves. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. . "Having Guilliman lie is perfectly in-character. The Emperor's light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally - finally - Guilliman had seen it as a whole. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. ‘He speaks to me, brother,’ said Roboute Guilliman. ‘No axe can ever be too sharp,’ the man replied without looking up. They withdrew from Iax under the cover of a virus bomb and the forces of. I find this hard to believe due to a couple of reasons below. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to have my back. By breaking the legion Guilliman wanted to send a message to the other traitor legions that their best could be broken. So Guilliman believes it is not the Emperor that creates Saints, but that their intense belief in the Emperor manifests latent psyker abilities. . When Guilliman meets the Lion again in 40k. Templars- Sounds right. So he gets resurrected after clearing the black legion from Ultramar he decides to visit Big E, after surving every fuck you chaos can throw at him. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of. Guilliman would still help Angron with his rebellion, which would save the lives of his gladiator friends. This is not just any loyal primarch, this is the Lion, and Guilliman has been in a similar situation before. Leman: “Well frack me and call me a Fenrisian wenches bitch, yer actually did it ye utter mad lad. I believe most Space Marines have some clemency on the issue, but I have had little opportunity to engage any in conversation. ‘He is not a god,’ said Guilliman out loud. Thanks to MANSCAPED for sponsoring today's video! Get 20% OFF + Free International Shipping with my promo code "MAJORKILL" at meets the Emperor in 40k and is shocked when he understands that his "father" doesn't give two shits about his "son" returning. ‘Does He not speak to you?’ The unbearable radiance enfolded Guilliman, so glaring Mortarion threw. My theory is that Malcador and the Emperor were also trying to send a lesson to Guilliman. When ROGAL DORN of all Primarchs is criticizing the Emperor, you know it's serious. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman is the lone Primarch in charge of Ultramar, blocked from Terra by the Ruinstorm. "That's a rare weapon indeed," Magnus said, "A useless and broken weapon. ‘No matter,’ said Guilliman. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its worlds. As a politicians he was ready to fight for reforms that he thought was right, despite the fact that they would also hurt him and in the end he was killed for doing what was right. Guilliman is effectively dead on the floor during most of the exchange. So that was exactly what he did. Context: Sulymanya is a Rogue Trader who doesn't believe in the Emperor as a God. But the Emperor was able to heal Guilliman, use him as a vessel to burn down Nurgle’s gardens, and then revive his son fully — which is a power play that we’re not used to seeing from the. It could very well still be that the Siege took too long and Guilliman and his accumulated forces entered the Sol system leaving Horus no choice but to act right then. At the same time, he's growing more and more unsure that the Emperor ISN'T a god. NONE of this is to say Guilliman is a bad person. After venting his initial fury on the Traitor forces arrayed against them, Guilliman took command of the planet’s defence and drove back the invaders with all the strategic brilliance for which he was renowned. Please go read them if you can. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. ’ He heard all these at once. And that for me makes him a candidate for emperor. Based on the available information, the Emperor became stronger after his trip to Molech from first hand sources such as Alivia Sureka. The Emperor did not love His sons. ’ ‘I am not holy,’ said Guilliman. ‘Guilliman. ‘Roboute Guilliman. That's true, but I thought you were talking mainly pre-heresy, because now it's obvious Guilliman won't like his traitor brothers. Unlike the Emperor who left them to die by teleporting Angron away. Guilliman, and his forces that the defenders could have really used, showed up after E had killed. The Emperor's light was blinding, all encompassing, but finally - finally - Guilliman had seen it as a whole. Templars- Uh huh. Lion fought Chaos at Caliban and Sang fought and died on Terra. And RG is a. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. Guilliman still calls himself Guilliman and is power is white rather than the gold that you see from the Emperor. You and your ilk forget that to the peril of us all. Thematically, the shield is a good way to remind him that he's not the scalpel he once was. To be a regent of a monarchs is to have the exact authority rights and respect of that monarch in his or her stead. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. His words in that matter would be ignored every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy would ignore him telling them to stop worshipping the Emperor or some suchIn the Regent's Shadow we see Guilliman keeps an obsidian statue bust of Sanguinius in his bedroom, so he definitely misses him quite a bit. Option 1: The Emperor told Guilliman what he needed to hear to steel himself for the grim, dark future of the 42nd Millenium - there's no place for softness. ’ ‘Fight me, you coward,’ growled Guilliman. ‘I shall depart today, for the Emperor. ” Emps: “TO SAY THAT I AM SURPRISED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT. ‘Worship the Emperor, if you must, but I am not deserving of your praise, nor will I. He reached out, and the Emperor’s Sword appeared in his hand, and burned with the fires of a thousand suns. ‘I find your familiarity refreshing. So inhumanly neutral. ‘He was also. However, it means the Emperor doesn't get the same unconditional obedience he gets from Russ, Dorn etc. As said in the OP, Leman Russ is the Emperor's executioner. Practical, the Emperor is not a god. What did the emperor say to Roboute? After the long pilgrimage Guiliman enters the inner sanctum and is alone with the emperor for some time. ‘But we shall see the truth of it in a second, Sister. ‘My father is no god. The Custodians' captain-general gave it to him; Guilliman did not begrudge the priest his awe. A fact Guilliman did not know. - Plague War. In the old lore, Horus dropped his shields to lure the Emperor aboard the Vengeful Spirit because his time was up and Guilliman and the XIII were coming. An empire, half-built. The Siege of Terra was over, but there were the Scouring which the loyal sons would give chase to the. Emperor was trying to tell them to pick up the pace. Your quote appears to be verbatim from the source (p. I believe this excerpt from Dawn of Fire: The Gate of Bones gives the clearest answer we've had so far. Primarch Weapons. ’ ‘Failure. ’Even the Mournival say something along these lines, telling Horus that he can't risk fighting anymore because he needs to deal with administrating and managing the Crusade. "You seriously need to get laid but not even a rock would do it with you. There's other ways to give a daemon a true death as well. There is only survival. The first, Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children represented the pinnacle of space marines. But the High Lord with overall responsibility for the Imperium's military and defence was referred to as the Lord Guilliman, even millennia later. He had not. But they didn't. Look what they have made of our dream. ♫Hello Mr Emperor♫. Guilliman had no illusions. They did get extra attention from the Emperor and were his chosen Legion until they were given to The Lion. Put simply: Guilliman does not believe in cultural relativism. I don't know if any others ruled over an interstellar empire besides Dorn and Guilliman, but all of them accomplished something impressive with where they ended up. Guilliman had it easy compared to Angron, but Angron never tried to push past his circumstances and essentially just gave up once the Emperor gave him the War Hounds. He dropped any pretence of humanity, and Guilliman is troubled by the idea the Emperor welcomed him more like a prisoner welcoming a tool able to help him break off a prison instead of greeting him like the. This is the first time in 9000 years that someone with working legs has actually outranked an Inquisitor Lord. One of the most beloved figures in the Imperium, Sanguinius was among both the most noble and mightiest Primarchs. "Listen to me. ‘My father is no god. That is not to say that the Emperor wasn't always strong. That's not to say that comparisons can't be made but given Deng is a very recent and incredibly controversial ruler, it'll be difficult to have a conversation in good faith. ’ Guilliman looked at the girl’s mutilated body. But the reality is, his death would get out. The source of their conflicts was never Guilliman doing something the Lion hated. So yeah, armywide 1 Ultramarines Strategum per turn for free. the most normal and pragmatic of the loyalists, next to Roboute, and would probably be the quickest to understand what Guilliman did. Why didn't the Emperor pick Guilliman instead of Horus? Guilliman is a legendary administrator, and every planet he conquered he managed to develop into a purely. My theory is that Guilliman knew he and his siblings wouldn't be always around to guide the Legions. Credits:Rowboat Girlyman art by Adrián Prado: Divina by Rhapsody of FireAnci. He remembered so clearly the first time he had seen Guilliman in the Temple of Correction. Guilliman is a Warrior King Statesman there to stabilize the Empire and stop (or slow) the rot. If all else went wrong, he would be heir to the empire. The very idea of words seemed ridiculous, the concept of them a grievous harm against the equilibrium of time and being. To my knowledge, the Lion hasn't had a lot of experience with politics. Out of all the Primarchs, the Emperor directly intervened to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor, this is said to be the only moment in which the Emperor directly interevne to make sure that Guilliman is found by Konor and not the Illyrian tribes. Quel Tarin · 3/3/2021. -It was the destiny of the Dark Angels, and all Space Marines to endure constant war. The Emperor is playing 4D warp-chess against invincible odds in a situation where rules do not even matter. When Guilliman had his initial conversation with the Emperor after returning, he finds this out. A third comes, eager for the glory of killing a primarch. At the end of Godblight, Roboute Guilliman is Emperor possessing Guiliman, like how some believe he did to the child in Plague Wars. CryptoGuilliman assumes control of the entire military apparatus of the Imperium as Lord Commander with the Emperor's explicit blessing. While guilliman learns from mistakes and gradually become better, horus is impossibly good. Told Nurgle to piss off when orders to retreat came in and exposed nurgles realm to attack from the emperor. Mathieu smiled. Ever since Guilliman came back with the help of Yvraine and Eldrad, people have been asking what his exact stance on working with Xenos is. He also knows that pushing too hard will lead to civil war. ‘He will,’ agreed Guilliman. ‘It appears you do, my lord,’ said Prayto quietly, ‘if you are one of the sons of mankind’s Emperor. Dan Abnett put in some excellent irony and foreshadowing in Guilliman's musing in the Unremembered Empire. He agreed that he would reveal the project to Guilliman when Guilliman returned, millenia ago. injures Nurgle himself implicaton is that while this was a massive, MASSIVE, strain on the Emperor's power, he WILL do it againThis quote is from chapter 3 "Rise of the Primarch" of the 2010 sourcebook The Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch (WHF04, published by Fantasy Flight Games). Both the Emperor and Malcador hint that Guilliman was their back up and they intended for him to take over should the Emperor be lost. ‘I say that you fear too much, and that Roboute Guilliman is a true son of the Emperor,’ said Achallor. ago. Guilliman, all his brothers, were nothing but a means to an end. Context: After a mean fight with the Night Lords and Konrad, Guilliman and the Lion are teleported to Sotha thanks to Dantioch activating the Pharos. Perhaps him hearing the Emperor say “you were my tools” was just what Roboute thought all along, thus the illusion fit the image. The Space Marines were to protect humanity and are expendable as such. Even with all the work he managed to do, he'd be deemed another horus by all those who believe in the Emperor as a God and it'll be a civil war the imperium can't afford. And I think it would really make a great literary arc that Guilliman the ultra rational, by the book Imperial regent is murdered by a mob of religious zealots. A tankard is whipped at supersonic speeds, smashing the Silent King's head off his shoulders. He says He’s just pragmatic, as a single weakness would. Guilliman dies, but the Emperor was using him as a Trojan horse to channel his power, he revives Guilliman now that he’s in the Garden. Of course, Calgar was an autocrat too, a minor Emperor in all but name. To destroy what they made. He hates this fallen, dark Imperium, and wishes to restore it to the glory of the pre-Heresy Days. Why would Guilliman's political enemies say that the God Emperor ordered Guilliman to nuke an emptied temple-city, when they can say that Guilliman nuked a temple-city of the God Emperor? If they time the announcement right, half the Imperium could be ready to overthrow another Horus before Guilliman can try doing fact-checked damage control. And that death would crack the morale of the Imperium Sanctus. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. You may recall that we teased this battle in the run-up to the launch of Warhammer+ when we took a peek behind the scenes to discover how the Garden of Iax. Anybody who says anything other than "it could potentially go either way" is being silly. From the novel: Plague War. Mighty heroes battle for the right to rule the galaxy. ’. He awoke from death to find himself fighting a war he thought he had won a hundred centuries before. They are still a part of the Emperor's glorious Angels of Death :) ReplyYou say that the remaining legions were all exemplary, but the problem is many of the traitor legions were also exemplary before the heresy, such as the Luna wolves and the EC, so how do you handle the risk that a exemplary chapter CAN go off the rails. He did not hear them at all. " Guilliman mentions that Emps had lost his subtlety and no longer seemed to be human at all. He kinda goes back and forth on it, he's mad because he feels the Emperor looks at him as a tool only to be used to achieve his own ends. Templars- Absolutely!It was made pretty clear in the Dark Imperium Novels that Guilliman largely disapproves of the Ecclesiarchy and, in general, the religion created around the Emperor. The Word Bearers' way of war had annoyed him. That is why they talk so freely. Guilliman warily accepts since the war is going basically nowhere. Mathieu the priest doesn't very much like that but cannot do anything about it because she's a close friend and subordinate to Guilliman. The God-Emperor has even rallied enough strength to burn the gardens of Nurgle, a. And now Guilliman lives in his greatest fear: a corrupt, superstitious, tyrannical Imperium. Sure the Ultramarines are still around but none of the ones that were alive millennia ago, when Guilliman was last conscious. ’. ‘But in your holiness, you did not turn. Guilliman hates this because he knows it’s merely conditional. Big E does a little trolling. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. Big E probably knew where Lion was, and knows where Russ, Corax, Dorn, and Vulkan are. It was the look of the blindly faithful. The galaxy is turning on its head. Told Nurgle to piss off when orders to retreat came in and exposed nurgles realm to attack from the emperor. This is after his "death" and resurrection, his meeting with the Emperor and his experiences with the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy. . Guilliman tries to kill one in Dark Imperium but that daemon is fated to exist at the end of time so it can't be killed. The conversation with Guilliman after he returned is Roboute talking to a semi-ascended deity whose mind and soul are fractured beyond belief. Faith was his mode of thought, and Guilliman had disdained it. But now? Guilliman finally gained his composure. Instead of sending the boy to his doom, Guilliman instead adopts him, and raises as his own son rather than forge him into a tool for the Imperium. But the High Lord with overall responsibility for the Imperium's military and defence was referred to as the Lord Guilliman, even millennia later. When Guilliman went into stasis he was objectively a loyal servant of the Emperor. ''I cannot say, my lord,' said Valdor. No bad blood, just “thank god, someone competent to. The secudus was the pinnacle of that. Guy Haley, Dark Imperium (2017)Guilliman's initial reaction: ‘Of all of them… Why did it have to be him who found a way through the storm?’. He doesn't have the time to focus on the. If all else went wong Guilliman would be heir to the empire. 21. 15 votes, 14 comments. During Roboute's absence, Konor Guilliman's co-consul, a man name Gallan, had unleashed a coup d'etat against Konor -- a development far from unknown historically, if in this instance a surprise. 3. Ever since Guilliman came back with the help of Yvraine and Eldrad, people have been asking what his exact stance on working with Xenos is. He judges human societies in an absolute sense measured against the ideals of the Emperor and himself. The Emperor, for all his might, is still a human. Because the Khan is moved by a strong sense of justice, while Guilliman is very out of touch with his feelings. Although in his genius Roboute Guilliman excelled at everything Calgar could imagine, in other ways he was a world away from the idealised figure Calgar had imagined all his life. NONE OF YOU EVER WERE" bit seemed especially hamfisted and everything started to fall apart afterward in terms of the cohesiveness if the writing. ago. The whole practical/theoretical thing isn't what normal people do, because normal people have feelings making up the difference. Spoilers ahead: "Necessity overcomes morality. Whereas Abnett's coverage of the Horus Heresy has got the Emperor's greatest son stuck in the middle of some wheat fields on the. He heard all these at once. ‘Guilliman is a misguided fool at best, and a traitorous dog at worst. Plot summary of Wrath of Magnus. EDIT: lol so many salty Ultra fanboys in this sub in denial about what their mascot actually said and didWhen the blade had been presented to Guilliman by the captain-general of the Adeptus Custodes after the Emperor’s fall, it had somehow fitted his primarch’s stature. My personal theory is it wasn't the Emperor who possessed Guilliman, but his [Guilliman's] presence in the Warp. My personal theory is it wasn't the Emperor who possessed Guilliman, but his[Guilliman's] presence in the Warp. With the telling quote, Guilliman doesn't know if the Emperor is a god now or not but if he is, he isn't worth worshiping. What horrors you have endured, I cannot imagine. He spoke in the tongue of Ulthran’s people of Ulthwé. He may not have the emperor's strength or intelligence, but he does have the charisma and vision to lead humanity back to the golden age. The emperor also gave Roboute Guilliman permission to still expand Ultramar because Roboute Guilliman sold him on the vision of his legion and how it was going to work even if he did have minor disagreements with the emperor which he did from the beginning they both handled it like adults. Primarch of the Ultramari. In anticipation he created 7 new. This is not just any loyal primarch, this is the Lion, and Guilliman has been in a similar situation before. ’ The raging tempest spoke his name, and it was as the violence a dying sun rains upon its. ’ ‘Disappointment. After some time, the boy receives visions of the future, one. Guilliman confidently assumes that he, a primarch, will be of huge significance in the outcome of the war. ‘He created me, but I assure you, priest, that He was no father. Like let's say the emperor on the throne is one man and the one possessing women and zapping untold amounts of enemies is a new chaos god who just hasn't found his evil. ‘The Emperor denied His own divinity,’ said Guilliman flatly. ago. I was always told the God Emperor’s Sword was one of the most powerful melee weapons in the galaxy, able to permanently kill demons in an instant. Guilliman returns to Ultramar and counter-attacks. ”Roboute Guilliman never forgot what caused his adoptive father's death. We see this in Devastation of Baal, where they vote Dante leader of their campaign -- but not uniformly. But He spoke. That Guilliman was contemplating this during the Great Crusade means that it probably crossed the Emperor's mind too. The emperor lists off several names and titles for him at once when he first addresses guiliman. Guilliman looked to the book. Option 2: After 10k years of being tortured by a glorified toilet seat, He's got no time to lose on being nice and shit and Guilliman thinking "He must've always. Thus spoke Roboute Guilliman in 41K. ’ ‘The Night Haunter?’ Sulymanya whispered. I think there's a difference between channeling into a mind and making something's warp presence of your own image. In the throne room Guilliman saw the Emperor for what he truly was, a desiccated skeleton on the golden throne trapped and resentful. Guilliman had expected nothing. When the Emperor appears to Magnus during the Siege, He projects into Magnus’ mind as a glowing sun-god and they burn through the warp together, moving through billions of years in moments. He did not hear them at all. ‘Guilliman is your father’s echo, heart and soul. The Emperor spoke and did not speak. Nor did the Emperor. So instead he fired the ones that he wanted gone, replaced them with ones who would support his agenda of “we need to fix this mess” and then. The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he thought lost. That he is against the will of the Emperor. The Lion survived a planet exploding. The Eldar, back before the Fall, were slavers. ‘But the Lord Guilliman is the Emperor’s son, and His appointed deputy, ruling in His stead, so therefore it is reasonable to–’ ‘Appointed by whom?’ said Cehen-qui loudly. Guilliman had already evolved beyond the status of warlord, where Horus was still a killer of worlds and a subjugator of adversaries. Before the future Lord of Ultramar is thrown into the galaxy, the.